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questions and comments and criticism. you can connect with the cycle at facebook. "now" with alex wagner starts now. >> president obama gets the best birthday gift he could ask for, congressional vacation. it's monday, august 4th and this is "now." >> what do the republicans in washington, d.c. stand for? >> exactly. >> the white house saying the president will soon use his executive power to move on immigration. >> the president is not going to sit around waiting for congressional republicans to act. >> the possibility is some republican lawmakers floating impeachment. >> i think congress has to sit down and have a serious look at the constitution, that includes the i-word. >> if i were the dnc, i would pay for steve king to go all over america. >> democrats have handed the senate potentially to the
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republicans on a silver matter. >> steve king and these guys are knocking it over. >> they are not showing courage. they are playing to the cheap seats. >> republicans are simply strangled by extremism. >> how courageous is it to go home and tell your base what they want to hear. >> in the house of representatives, what have they done other than investigate and say no. >> john boehner may have the gavel but ted cruz has the power. >> what do the republicans in the house stand for? >> on this 53rd birthday, president obama can breathe a sigh of relief that at least congress is quiet. congress started a five-week recess friday night after republicans in the house scrambled to pass two extreme immigration bills that were officially dead on arrival. the first getting due process protections and speeding deportations of unaccompanied minors was yanked from the floor and redesigned to please
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conservatives like steve king, who said of the bill, it's like i orlded it off the menu. house republicans also voted to end the president's deportation relief program for immigrants known as dreamers, those brought to the u.s. illegally before they were 16 years old. democratic congressman luis gutierrez summed up policy in three words, deport them all. it is a long way from the rnc autopsy that pro claimed we must embrace and champion comprehensive immigration reform. immigration reform embraced and championed by republican senator marco rubio who now backs an uncomprehensive approach after facing conservative backlash for his work on reform that passed senate last year. >> if i may, sir, if it's not political, why have you -- >> that's not accurate, chris. >> you're say teenaging it has done in stages. >> that's not accurate.
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we're talking about two separate things. we're not depating what to do. we're debating how to do it. i'm telling you we'll never have the votes necessary to pass in one bill all of those things. it won't happen. >> on that the white house would seem to agree. since republicans can't get anything done on immigration, the president is preparing to act on his own. >> he is no longer willing to stand idly by while the house republicans block common sense reforms to broken immigration system. the president has directed his secretary of homeland security and attorney general to consider what types of options are available to the president. >> the white house says it is expecting those recommendations by the end of the summer and president will act on them shortly there after. in the meantime back down on the border, the department of health and human services said it will suspend the use of military facilities to save money but fewer children are making the
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crossing. the department faced a flood of 20,000 newly arrived children in may and june, that number was down to 5300 in july. many of those new arrivals are being resettled pending immigration hearings for which there is a significant backlog, a backlog that congress left utterly unresolved as it fled for summer vacation. joining me no is white house correspondent at the huffington post, sam stein and "washington post" columnist and senior fellow at the brookings institute, e.j. dionne. sam stein, what a day it was and what a monday we have now. >> of course. >> what are you hearing from your white house sources in terms of the true timeline on when the president may take up recommendations from jeh johnson and eric holder? >> they want to get the recommendations and review them. and everything i've heard has
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put the timeline at the end of august but probably a little bit after that. now this could change depending on the political landscape at the moment. but it seems like the process is fairly under way. and what happened in the house or what i should say didn't happen in the house and in the senate, an inability to get anything passed probably accelerated the time frame a little bit. >> e.j., i was struck by the dramatic events of friday. actually, really dismayed in a time of derespondent behavior, this was a new low, i thought for the republican party in terms of -- it's not even 180 degrees, some other angle of mystery they've spun, insofar as the repeal of the deferred action for dreamers, you write today about what needs to happen. and suggest solving the country's problems requires above all, turning the
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republican party back into a political enterprise willing to share the burdens of governing, even when a democrat is in the white house. how likely do you think that is in a day and age when marco rubio is now for an incremental approach to immigration reform? >> the only solution is for the voters to send a strong signal in the election. i think that the last week may have been a win starting to blow in a different direction. the moment that the bill was -- the original house bill was imploding on thursday, nancy pelosi had a bunch of journalists in, mostly opinion writers and she was really talking about the great old -- grand old party that used to do a lot of things. it's funny to have a democrat saying that of the republicans, but her point was this party has been hijacked by the radical right. you're seeing that with steve king out there. by the way, i agree with al hunt in those clips, democrats should
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set up, let steve king be steve king committee and let him talk about impeachment as much as he wants. there is a frustration with the republicans and i think when the president responded on friday, my favorite line was, we can't even pass plain vanilla legislation, not like spicy radical gumbo, he wants infrastructure, just basic stuff. and that's not even getting done. i think you may be able to sort of talk to voters and say you really want a republican party in this state, not the republican party we used to know, but this one, to have a lot of authority in washington these days. >> sam to extend e.j.'s met to for, it's poached breast of chicken, not a spicy dish at all. >> are we on the foodnetwork?
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>> yes, we'll meet at the diner next time. >> wall street journal writes, exscore rating and gave the country the impression that the highest priority is to deport as many children as rapidly as possible back from wherever they came. a party whose preoccupation is deporting children will alienate many conservatives never mind minority voters. let's take a listen to this ad that went up recently. >> our southern border, chaos and crime, washington made the mess, senator mark pryor voted for amnesty, citizenship for illegals and pry yor voted against a border fence three times and ignores the crisis. >> i don't know how you square those two ends. >> you have to consider two different audiences here. the first is the mid-term audience. a lot of these house members
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from predominantly districts where the deal isn't as popular as it is nationally and idea of securing the borders, abstract idea of having a secure border is very popular. that makes sense then. and it happens to be that senate races are in traditional republican states where the message where play. but then you have the wall street journal, which is a reflection of the business community and more sensible republican party that wants to win national elections. keep in mind chamber the commerce has been pushing for comprehensive immigration reform from the beginning and the disservice that the republican party did to itself last friday will be manifested not in 2014 as some democrats predict, but i don't, i think it will be manifested in 2016 when people running for president have to talk about that vote and footage from that evening will be replayed on loop by democrats. >> e.j., do you agree with sam? you suggest let steve king do
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steve king tour of 2016 funded by the democratic national committee. could it -- will this sort of strategy of indignation and ire play better for republicans in the long run and not gin up the left base? >> i agree this will have a bigger impact in 2016. no question about it. but i think what's important about the meltdown in congress is that democrats are looking at their own base, particularly say voters in their 20s who voted for the first time for barack obama because they thought washington could be different. gridlock has hurt the democrats among those voters, even if it's caused by the republicans because they've been saying, wasn't obama supposed to change things. i think what was very visible last week is this is not obama's doing. this is the doing of a faction in the republican congress that's really taking control of the place. so to the extent that democrats
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can go to such voters and say you really have to go out this time? you really can't let them just be these kind of radical rejectionist and not say a word until 2016. it may become a motivator to get the voters out even in the republican states where democrats can't possibly win if the base stays home. >> sam, real quick, are we done with impeachment talk. steve king said this weekend, that congress has to sit down and have a serious look at the rest of the constitution and that includes, the i-word, impeachment section of the u.s. constitution. you know, nothing happened with the border crisis. the president is set to release executive actions and then furthers the narrative he's an unchained emperor. does this further -- does this add many more logs under the fire that burns to impeach the president? >> two things at play. democrats like the impeachment
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talk and will fan the flames and raise money off of it to the extent they can. i do think that should the president come out with a fairly forceful and aggressive set of actions on the immigration issue, come the end of august or early september, there will be more people like steve king who talk about it openly. now the republican leadership said this is silly and manufactured. but they also said stuff like that with respect to the government shutdown and it did happen. while i do agree with house speaker boehner that this is largely a democratic pushed issue. i wouldn't say that in five weeks time or six weeks time it's going to be just a democratic pushed issue. >> of chicken vind liu and impeachment. thank you -- >> i'm hungry. >> i'm starving now. >> almost dinner time. >> e.j. dionne, thank you as always. >> you too. >> we have breaking news to report, palestinian factions have reportedly agreed to a three-day cease-fire.
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palestinian factions in cairo have reportedly agreed to a cease-fire in gaza, if agreed upon by israel. the truce would start tomorrow at 8:00 a.m. local time and set to last 72 hours. in gaza this evening, israel resumed its bombardment after a partial seven-hour humanitarian cease-fire, during which leaders accused israel of violating its own window with missile strikes on a refugee camp, that killed an 8-year-old girl. in jerusalem, two back to back attacks raise fears the unrest is spreading further. first a bull dozer flipped over a bus in east jerusalem, killing
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one israeli and wounding several others in what israel declared a terrorist attack. a man on a motorcycle open fire in a bus station and soldier was seriously injured. today is the 28th day of the conflict between israel and hamas. 67 israelis and over 1800 palestinians have been killed. joining me now is former israeli ambassador to the united states, michael orrin. do you think israel is likely to send negotiators back to cairo? we're getting word they must have succeededed in destroying all known tunnels in gaza. do you think there's no impetus for broader cease-fire? >> good to be with you, alex, thank you. if the reports are indeed true that palestinian negotiators accepted the egyptian cease-fire, the same offered
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almost four weeks ago in which hamas can claim no gains by having initiated a war and not going to get border crossings open and salaries for its employees and not going to get a lifting of the israeli m pa ritime blockade, i would imagine israel would accept it because they have been willing to accept it repeatedly over the course of the last four weeks. the question is whether they'll be able to keep the cease-fire. hamas requested and violated and tonight as you mentioned, israeli forces reopened fire after hamas fired 100 rocks into israel. >> prime minister netanyahu says israel has no intention of attacking residents of gaza. given that statement, i wonder what you think the intent is behind air strikes on refugee
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camps as we've had in the last 72 hours. >> israel has no intentions on attacking gaza. i'm a citizen of the state of israel but review myself and family as every bit a victim of hamas as palestinians and their families. hamas started this war and fired now well over 3,000 rockets into israel. and as well as dug tunnels under the border with the sole goal of attacking israeli farms and communities killing women and children. so there's no question of the justice of this struggle fighting against an enemy which has dug in behind the civilian population on purpose as using them as hul an shields and preventing them from running away, it wants israel to create casualties so they'll be condemned and deny legitimacy. it's parts of hamas' deep
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strategy. so what the prime minister says he has no intention of striking civilians he means it. israel is doing the utmost to try to avoid it. in any type of war fair where you're dealing with a terrorist group or any enemy dug in behind a civilian population, civilian casualties happen. on d-day, american air force killed upwards of 20,000 frenchmen because they were dug in around the germans. so it happens in war. and it is tragic, i view palestinian victims and israeli victims as victims of hamas. >> let me follow up. if the strategy of killing civilian is part of hamas' strategy, what do you say to those in the west, not actually arab leaders who have been quite silently in support of israel but folks like the french who said israel's right to security does not justify the killing of children and massacre of civilians and samantha power who
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called the attack horrifying. have they been duped into falling along with hamas' strategy? >> well, hamas does have -- uses military tactics to achieve immediate strategy. they know rockets can't destroy the state of israel, i'm sitting with tel aviv behind me. it is still standing and bustling. what they can do is get israel to fire back and using civilians as human shields then create casualties and that translates into condemnations you just quoted and that becomes diplomatic pressure to agree to a cease-fire where hamas can claim victory and ugs the cease-fire to open fire again in another year or two. that's the way it works. that's the strategy to deny israel legitimacy and ability to defend itself and that's how hamas plans to destroy us. when foreign leaders cooperate with that strategy, it's
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frustrating for us. certainly when the united states or the french or the british killed numbers of afghani civilians by accident and it was tragic, israel did not come out publicly and say we are appalled by this and demand immediate investigation. the united states investigates this. we understand fighting against a terrorist enemy hidden among a civilian population is very costly and actually it is the people who bear the moral responsibility for the death of the civilians are not the united states and not france and not israel. >> let me ask you one more question before we let you go. in terms of the metric by which prime minister netanyahu would call this a success, as we said at the beginning of this segment, getting word that all of the tunnels in gaza may have been destroyed. will that signal the end? should it? has israel been clear enough on how this conflict comes to an end? >> well, i think tunnels are the
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goal of the ground operation. if hamas continues to fire 100 rockets at us per day, clearly the operation can't be over and israel has to take measures to defend itself. what you can say would be a victory, if hamas accepts an unconditional cease-fire. where all of the achievements which it set out in starting the war and none of those achievements are met and hamas accepts the cease-fire. that would be a victory. we're in the 21st century, no more moments like the top of hiroshima and ma reens raising the flag there. mideastern and general wars don't have clear conclusions. victories are very relative. that would be a relative victory for israel for the time being, a greater victory would be the demill tarization of gaza, hamas with missiles is not the same hamas. >> thank you for your time and thoughts.
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>> thank you. >> joining me now the executive director of human rights watch, ken roth. we just had, of course, former israeli ambassador on, michael oren, who seemed to suggest that victory is relative and that there's no clear-cut goal gore israel, suggesting this could go on for some unspecified prolonged periods of time. >> alex -- >> go ahead. >> if i could, i would like to respond to the former ambassador, israeli talking points. what he spouted there could have been said even before this war broke out. there was no reference to the reality on the ground. in essence, israel is doing the utmost to protect civilians and any casuals are because hamas is endanking civilians. take for example the killing of ten palestinians in the u.n. school yesterday.
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israel said it was targetsing three men on a motorcycle who happened to be outside the school. why didn't it wait a minute until they were away from the school? why target them next to 3,000 displaced people or new york times investigation this morning, a separate school. israel hit that with a heavy ar tilly barrage, which should never be used in a populated area. these are -- can't be more accurate than a 50 meter radius and have a blast and fragmentation effect of 300 meters. these are designed to kill civilians. the ambassador says we don't intend to kill civilians, they are proceeding so recklessly, that's why we have this huge civilian toll, 75 to 80% of the gazan s killed have been civilians, not militants. >> ken, you have been writing and tweeting about the laws of
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warfare with respect to the current conflict and not just the asymmetry in the death poll that reflects an uneven war. what is just war in your mind and how is this not a just war in your opinion? >> well, just war theory really addresses are you right to go to war or not. that's not something human rights watch gets into. we look at how the war is fought. is each side doing what it could to protect civilians. we know hamas is committing war crimes and firing indiscriminate rockets into populated areas of israel. israel says we're abiding by the laws of war but the reality shows it's not. human rights watch put out an investigation where we show israel told them to evacuate a southern gaza town and proceeded to shoot and kill them. we see them targeting militants when a militant was in a house with 25 relatives who were killed breaking the ramadan fast. another time somebody must have
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been targeted in a beach cafe, nine men watching the world cup, all of them killed. this is not the way an army behaves when it's abiding by the geneva convention and laws of war. this is reckless conduct showing insufficient care to protect palestinian civilians. >> ken, what is the end game here as you see it? israeli foreign minister urged a united nations administration of gaza at the end of this conflict. where do you see this going? >> well, each side has from human rights perspective, legitimate demands. israel wants an end to the indiscriminate rocket attacks by all means. if it tries to control the borders to prevent the importation of weapons used to the attacks, nobody would quarrel with that. at the same token, hamas and people of gaza want the siege lifted. it is not simply designed to stop the import of rockets but designed to stop the export of
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agricultural goods and people can't travel to study and get medical care. they are trapped in one big open air prison. the people of gaza legt maltly say liflt the siege and put on controls that prevent weapons from getting in but not from leading normal lives and traveling like everybody else. >> ken roth, as always, thank you. >> thank you. >> good news for women and the choice movement. details on a critical new court ruling are coming up next. (birds chirping softly in background.) (loud engine sounds!) what! how's it going? heard you need a ride to school. i know just the thing to help you get going. power up with new cheerios protein. when folks think about wthey think salmon and energy. but the energy bp produces up here creates something else as well: jobs all over america.
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need to go back to 1982. >> the abundance of fish is the sign of a clear lake and lake erie was considered a dead a decade ago. it is how it looked in 1969, suffocated by sewage pumped into it every day, algae fed on the pollution and multiplied so much it killed the game fish. >> the exact same thing, a toxic algae bloom happened in the '60s and 70s and back then we did something about it. in 1972, a bill largely inspired by lake erie's problems was passed into law. it was called the clean water act and provided billions of dollars in funding to clean up the lake. that same year, america signed an agreement with canada specifically preventing sewage from leaking into the great lakes. 50 years later, courtesy of lax regulations and climate change, algae blooms are back and it's unclear whether we'll do
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anything about it. over the past decades agriculture around lake erie steady increased spilling more fertilizer into the great lake that encourages industrial crops and toxic algae. as it turns out, toxic algae thrives in warmer water. as lake erie and rest of the planet becomes hotter, its water becomes greener. with heavier rainfall, all that fertilizer from ohio's big industrial farms, much more likely to wash onto the shores of lake erie. joining me now is faculty member at the carnegie institution for science at stanford, dr. mik lack. thank you so much for joining me. most broadly, to what degree is industry culpable in all of this? >> well, what we're seeing in the last few years in lake erie and this year as well is a combination of factors, agricultural management practices you mentioned are
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definitely one big factor but meteorological factors are also another set of factors that are coming together and creating perfect storms for massive blooms. >> does industry -- from your work on this subject matter, industry cannot be unaware the fertilizer they are using is contributing to this. this would seem of the very factors that coalesced to create this crisis, one of the most immediately manage bl ones. >> that's true. as you were saying, fertilizers which contain a loss of phosphorous make crops grow. when the fertilizer gets washed into the lakes it fertilizes the blooms instead of fertilizing the crops. of course, on the face of it the farmers are no more interested in the fertilizers ending up in the lakes in the sense that we are, it's wasted money and fertilizer from their perspective.
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it's a question how does one achieve the goal that ultimately would want, to use just the right amount of fertilizer that would ultimately stay on the fields. there's no doubt what you said was true in the sense it is the fertilizers that are flushing off the farm fields and flushing into the lake that are feeding these blooms. >> let's talk about the scope of this problem. i was stunned to find out the epa defined blooms as a major environmental problem in all 50 states. how is that possible? >> this is because more and more we're seeing a lot of what's called coastal reunite fiks, more nutrients to coastal areas and to fresh water systems like the great lakes. as we farm more and more and as more of that runoff runs into the waterways, it essentially feeds both blooms and also dead zones, areas of water that have very low or essentially no
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oxygen and all have serious economic impacts and health impacts as you were seeing in toledo. >> in terms of banding together to deal with this, it was remarkable to see footage from 1982. they came together deal with the crisis of dirty water and toxic water. do you feel confident we're in a position taking the recommendations of scientists and industry experts and so forth to do something to prevent other states beyond just ohio from suffering through the same problem? >> i tend to be an optimist when it comes to that. the problems are visible enough and targeted enough, people do tend to band together. that being said, it's an extremely difficult problem because it's not just about the knew tree enlts going into the water but the changing climate conditions that are essentially working hand in hand to create problems we're seeing. >> dr. mikalac, thank you so
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from his new buddy, a guy named rand paul. >> do you want a supporter of obama and reid to be your next senator? does anybody want hollywood to pick our next senator? millions of dollars are flowing from the left coast to the grimes campaign. environmental extremists trying to kill kentucky jobs are bank rolling the grims campaign. >> a campaign bank rolled by kos mow poll tan extremists, unlike mitch mcconnell who is bank rolled by -- cosmopolitan extremists. the daily news reported that mr. msh connell raised 80% outside
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of kentucky. kentuckyians for strong leadership raised almost half a million dollars in which exactly no dollars came from the blue grass state. joining me now is glenn thrush. it's like high lander, there will be only one. >> we should both use our fancy farm voices during this segment. >> yes, we just need a light coating of sweat over the foreheads to complete the look. >> i have that already. >> perhaps a singlet next time. it is like a blood sport hands on mixed martial arts tournament. who do i think came out ahead if one could come out ahead at the fancy farm confab? >> anyone who got out before the speeches are the ones who got out ahead. the optics are just -- it was two totally separate things looking at it with the sounds on and off. she looks so much younger and more vital than he does.
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he was kind of slumped in the corner talking to his wife while she was there and she does look, i am woman, hear me roar. then you listen to the speeches and she has a strange cadence and they know what buttons to push down there. content aside, it was a tail of kind of two events. >> rand paul who arrived with a limb rick, not usually a huge crowd pleaser but got a lot of air time today and through the weekend. i wonder what you think the buddyhood, the bromance, kinship? >> i got apprehensive when he started with the limerick thing, you never know where those are going to head, right? >> yes. >> he lent mcconnell part of his campai dynamic. 35% to 40% approval and still came out two points ahead in the
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most recent blue grass poll. i don't know how these numbers work out down there. >> speaking of surrogates, we know bill clinton is going to take to the road and been a vocal supporter of grimes, in terms of kentucky and the kentucky population, who do you think is the more effective surrogate, rand paul or bill clinton? >> rand paul absolutely. look the thing i found most striking about both speeches how efficient they were. there was no wasted great to see you bob kind of stuff. both hitting their national and regional audiences directly. she made an appeal i thought was unvarnished and straight progressive democratic appeal and he made more of a regional appeal. in these races, it's the regional that tends to win out. i think having clinton come down there reinforces the fact she's getting her support from out of town. >> indeed. also, nothing says war like a yellow oxford button down.
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the latest news on the benghazi scandal is that there is no benghazi scandal, this from the republican house committee which spent two years investigating the matter and concluded in a soon to be declassified report there was no deliberate wrong doing by the obama administration. mike thompson told the san francisco chronicle that the forthcoming report confirms that no one was deliberately misled, no military assets withheld and no stand down order to u.s. forces was given. that conclusion from a committee of 12 republicans and also nine
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democrats, was adopted unanimously, all of them, even republicans. in finding nothing salacious or conspiracyial or das tardly, they join the senate intelligence committee, the state department accountability review board and senate arm services committee and homeland security and governmental affair committee and house arm services committee and house on oversigts and government reform and foreign affairs, all of which have investigated the 2012 attack and found nada. whether this uppteenth conclusion will have any effect on the benghazi blood hounds, all of that remains to be seen. after all, for the party of fiscal hawks was another $3.3 million in taxpayer money. that's all for now. i'll see you back here tomorrow at 4:00 p.m. eastern.
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